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Neonatives in Montana
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Started this discussion. Last reply by John Clayton Mar 5, 2011.

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John Clayton replied to Humanities Roundtable's discussion 'Reading Memoir'
At the panel, I asked whether current concerns about truth posed any roadblocks for these writers. I found Louise Wagenknecht's response particularly interesting. She said that in high school (the period covered by Light on the…
Oct 12, 2011
John Clayton replied to Humanities Roundtable's discussion 'Reading Memoir'
Karen, I like that distinction. I write what-I-think-of-as essays, in which I'm considering an issue or making a point and occasionally using my or others' experiences to illustrate or demonstrate. Whereas to me, in memoir the personal…
Oct 10, 2011
John Clayton replied to Humanities Roundtable's discussion 'Reading Memoir'
Glen, do you think this has always been the case? Or does the question seem more urgent now because memoir is more popular? [others, feel free to weigh in![
Oct 5, 2011
John Clayton replied to Humanities Roundtable's discussion 'Reading Memoir'
To write a memoir is to choose the important themes in your life, to identify, "This is who I am." One of the questions that interests me, as moderator of the panel, is how a memoirist develops that self-definition. Do they know it ahead…
Sep 29, 2011
John Clayton replied to Humanities Roundtable's discussion 'One Book Montana - Blind Your Ponies'
As one of the people making that argument on that conference call, I’d like to suggest a couple of distinctions.   First, I wonder about the phrase “typical non-readers” (and sorry to pick on you, Bill: you just have a nice…
Jul 6, 2011
John Clayton replied to John Clayton's discussion 'Neonatives in Montana'
Although this discussion will stay up for quite some time, today marks the end of my time as its formal moderator. I’d like to thank Humanities Montana and its Web-discussion guru Jason Neal for creating this little slice of cyberspace for us.…
Mar 5, 2011
Kim Anderson replied to John Clayton's discussion 'Neonatives in Montana'
I suppose I was a neo-neo-native in New York City for 15 years. Believe me, as a young adult I couldn't wait to leave what I then perceived as the insular homogenous world of Montana. It was only after I left Montana, and matured, and had…
Feb 20, 2011
John Clayton replied to John Clayton's discussion 'Neonatives in Montana'
Geoff, I may have overstated your point (it's obviously my statement that Craig is smartly objecting to); I'm sorry. But I'm impressed by many of these responses.   First, thanks to Kathleen for arguing that the impulse lies in…
Feb 19, 2011
Geoff Badenoch replied to John Clayton's discussion 'Neonatives in Montana'
Well, I was not clear in what I said.  First, my observation was not meant to suggest that everyone stay put and not leave their community of origin.  That, after all, is the impetus that propels most young people out into the world. …
Feb 19, 2011
Kathleen Ralph replied to John Clayton's discussion 'Neonatives in Montana'
Geoff's comments certainly were provocative!  If everyone stayed in their community of origin, there would be no whites on this continent.  Which of Geoff's ancestors first came to Missoula and why?  People move for all…
Feb 19, 2011
Craig Lancaster replied to John Clayton's discussion 'Neonatives in Montana'
  But isn't good citizenship doing so wherever you live, for whatever reason you live there? We're a country of migrants and immigrants. "Home is where you hang your hat" and all of that.   I have no desire to live in…
Feb 19, 2011
John Clayton replied to John Clayton's discussion 'Neonatives in Montana'
I'm so happy to be moderating a discussion on a site like this -- because it is so self-moderating! Thanks Geoff and Lisa for articulating your differences in such respectful and eloquent ways. But let's make no mistake, they are…
Feb 19, 2011
Geoff Badenoch replied to John Clayton's discussion 'Neonatives in Montana'
And, of course, you are right, Lisa.    No doubt my brush painted over broad. My observation should have been limited to those who have, by their own experiences, left unbearable living situations in communities that have…
Feb 16, 2011
Lisa Simon replied to John Clayton's discussion 'Neonatives in Montana'
Hmm Geoff,   While I agree with and applaud your efforts to restore towns to make them more  livable, I disagree with your premise that people move here in order to throw away the hell-holes they came from.  If that were true--that…
Feb 16, 2011
Geoff Badenoch replied to John Clayton's discussion 'Neonatives in Montana'
Whenever I encounter so-called neonatives, I always wonder why it is they came to Missoula.  Make no mistake, I understand how attractive Montana communities are, and I appreciate that neonatives inoculate the local culture from becoming too…
Feb 15, 2011
John Clayton replied to John Clayton's discussion 'Neonatives in Montana'
Ken, this is an important perspective. We've been talking a lot about community and involvement as if they're inherently positive. But sometimes these impulses, like all in life, are about money and power. In the 1800s East Coast, Irish…
Feb 15, 2011

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I am an independent journalist, essayist, and author, and I also give talks (described below) as part of Humanities Montana's Speakers Bureau. My major book is The Cowboy Girl, a biography that takes the "old west" of cowboys and homesteaders deep into the 20th century, through the life of Caroline Lockhart, who both lived in and wrote about those worlds.
I write for Montana Quarterly, Montana Magazine, and other publications. I recently worked with the Carbon County Historical Society on a photographic history entitled Images of America: Red Lodge. My current book project is a narrative history of the Teton Dam disaster, a 1976 flood that marked a significant change in environmental policy in the American West. Tentatively titled The Last Good Dam, it will be published by Riverbend in 2010.
For more information about these books and all my work, please visit my website at http://www.johnclaytonbooks.com
My Speaker Bureau Talks
I currently have two talks offered through the Humanities Montana's Speakers Bureau. If you're interested in having me speak at your organization, or want more information about my talks, please contact me at 446-3843 or info@johnclaytonbooks.com.
  • Happily Ever Aftering on a Montana Cattle Ranch
    When Caroline Lockhart moved to her homestead in Dryhead, Montana, in 1926, she was trying to enact in real life the sort of "happily ever after" experience she had described in her Western fiction. Though little-known today, Lockhart (1871-1962) in the 1910s wrote six novels, three of which were made into movies, and all of which culminated in the hero retiring to a cattle ranch. Lockhart based her novels on her real-life experiences—and vice-versa. So can a single, liberated woman with a tendency to romanticize succeed at running a 1920s ranch? As we chase down this narrative, illustrated by photos of the individuals and setting and based on the climax of The Cowboy Girl, I hope to provoke discussion of women’s issues, ranching in fiction and real life, and conflicts between individualism and community.
  • Neonatives in Montana
    A “neonative,” as conceived by the late historian Hal Rothman, is a person who moves to his or her “hometown” as an adult. The neonative’s relationship to that community is almost as strong and complex as—though quite different from—that of the native. Often neonatives come to a place for its qualities, but inadvertently change it into the place they left behind. Is that good or bad? How have neonatives affected your community, or Montana as a whole? Are there typical characteristics of a neonative (for example, a passion for community, a perception of classlessness, or a continual clash between the values that community life suggests and the values with which they were actually raised)? These questions don’t necessarily have answers, but they should provoke interesting discussions of community history and values.

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